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Trying AMD HD3D Technology with Panasonic 3D HDTV (TX-P50VT20E)

October 28th, 2010 · 53 Comments · Other S3D Tech

When I got the Panasonic 3D HDTV (TX-P50VT20E) I was eager to try out the recently announced AMD HD3D Technology with the TV as well as the 3DTV Play functionality from Nvidia, although I’ve already seen the later in action. So I started with a quick test with 3DTV Play and as expected everything worked just fine by using a 5 meter DVI to HDMI cable to connect the GTX 480 to the 3D TV, the driver immediately detected the TV and enabled the 3DTV Play functionality. Everything was running just fine and I was able to try out some games in both 720p and 1080p in 3D, as well as Play a Blu-ray 3D movie with PowerDVD 10 Mark II, watch a few clips with the 3D Vision Video Player and play a few 3D photos. Everything worked pretty much fine, apart from having some trouble with a few games to make them work in 3D mode at 1080p resolution with 24Hz. The other thing that kind of surprised me was the red warning message I’ve got when I tried running a game at 1280×720 at 60Hz per eye in stereo 3D mode with 8xAA – the drivers have automatically lowered the AA to 4x to ensure better performance. Now, that would be acceptable if you have a low end video card, but with two 480s in SLI running at 720p 3D mode with 8xAA should be like a breeze… I’d might want to try playing at 64xAA, because at 4xAA with that resolution you are still quite far from smooth edges. But anyway, I’ll dig more into that later on when I have more time to test that, so now let me get back to the AMD HD3D Technology with the 3D TV…

Now, switching to the other AMD-based system with an ATI Radeon HD 5970 video card I was ready to test the Panasonic 3D HDTV with the same cable and with the software that AMD and their partners provide for ensuring the support for their AMD HD3D Technology. Just to make sure I reinstalled the required Catalyst 10.10 drivers, installed the latest DDD TriDef software that has support for HDMI 1.4a transmission of stereoscopic 3D content (the latest iZ3D Driver still does not support that). However when I ran the TriDef 3D Experience launcher (you can see that on the video) or TriDef 3D Ignition with a game the result was kind of disappointing. The depth of the 3D objects can be seen, however there is a weird flicker and a lot of annoying flashing artifacts on the screen that totally ruin the experience. I’m not sure where the problem lies yet, because for example on AMD’s supported hardware page there is no mention of the TX-P50VT20E, but there is support for TC-P50VT20 which is pretty much the same. But the reason for the problem might not be that at all, but in the fact that you need a 6000 series video card in order to use that mode, although AMD and DDD say on their websites that the AMD HD3D Technology is compatible with 5000 and 6000 series of GPUs.

So if you have a 3D HDTV and an ATI/AMD video card from the 5000/6000 series you can try the DDD TriDef software and its HDMI 1.4a mode for 3D and report your success or lack of such in the comments below. The TriDef software is available with a 14 day trial period, so you can download and test it on your system without actually having to buy anything. Also anyone else having the same issue with his setup as shown on the video above?

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Happy Birthday to me with a New 3D HDTV – Panasonic TX-P50VT20E

October 27th, 2010 · 35 Comments · Other S3D Tech

I was not planning to get a 3D HDTV now, I’ve planned this for the holiday season at the end of the year, although I kind of needed one for testing with the official announcement of the 3DTV Play from Nvidia and the recent announcement of HDMI 1.4a support with AMD’s HD3D Technology. However for my birthday, which is today, I decided to get myself a 3D HDTV and the choice was Panasonic TX-P50VT20E after a careful consideration of all pros and cons of what is currently available on the market.

Simply said the things kind of look like this at the moment with the 3D HDTVs – Panasonic plasma for best overall image quality in 2D and 3D, but no 2D-to-3D conversion (for the higher-end models) and not the most convenient shutter glasses. Sony are kind of in the middle in terms of image quality and features, but so far their active shutter glasses are with the best design in and features of all I’ve seen. Samsung 3D LCDs and Plasma are good in terms of quality, but their advantages are the better prices and the most widely supported 3D input formats of all 3D HDTVs on the market – they go beyond just HDMI 1.4’s frame packaging, Side by Side and Over/Under as most others do, but that may not be an advantage for everyone.

So you can expect a review of the Panasonic sometime soon, as well as more information and testing about it when used with 3DTV Play and AMD’s HD3D Technology for playing games, videos, photos etc. in stereo 3D format on it. Of course I’m quite interested to compare the performance to a 120Hz LCD monitor as I’m sure quite a lot of people are interested in that too and not just me. So stay tuned for more on that pretty soon…

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Catalyst 10.10 Drivers Introduce Support for the AMD HD3D Technology

October 24th, 2010 · 8 Comments · Other S3D Tech

AMD is again talking about stereo 3D support after the announcement of the new Radeon HD 6000 series and the release of the new Catalyst 10.10 video drivers, but they are still giving us just some tiny bits of information, so we can’t yet get the whole picture. I mean that the more tiny bits of information they give use, the more questions they raise, instead of answering them…

Lets get back a bit in time, here is a part of the Release Notes from the Catalyst 10.3 drivers talking about the stereo 3D support regarding the Radeon HD 5000 series. Of course that announcement was there, but nothing was happening other than some products being demonstrated that were based on the technology in some tech shows. They were demonstrated, but yet again no information was available…

Now, a few months later in the just made available Catalyst 10.10 drivers and more specifically in their Release Notes we again have something similar. This time it is the announcement of support for the AMD HD3D Technology that was a part of the announcement of the new 6000-series of GPUs. And yet again we are really short on information, although we now have some announcements for S3D supported products that are becoming available or will soon be on the market.

It seems that AMD loves to be “open” on initiatives, but not open on information about them. Their main partners, namely the companies iZ3D and DDD who are responsible for providing the software that is supposed to provide the auto-conversion of the 3D games to stereoscopic 3D format are also quite short on details. Both iZ3D and DDD are providing some automated checkers if you have a compatible system, with DDD saying that Radeon HD 5000 and 6000 series of GPUs are the only supporting the AMD HD3D technology as well as making some promotions to get the software they offer.

It is interesting to note that DDD has released a new version of their TriDef 3D software finally adding support for DirectX 10 and DirectX 11 games, as well as support for AMD HD3D technology for 5000/6000 series of GPUs. Checking out the new DDD TriDef Igntion reveals that there is now support for HDMI 1.4a for 3D HDTVs as well as HP’s Envy 17 3D laptop, but nothing more for a generic 120Hz LCD monitor for example. So if you have an ATI/AMD GPU and a 3D-capable HDTV you may download and try the HDMI 1.4a mode thanks ot the fact that DDD offers 14-day trial for their TriDef Ignition software and you are also welcome to report your findings here.

iZ3D also has finally released an updated official version 1.12 of their driver with official support for 120Hz 3D Devices. iZ3D also reveals some interesting facts about the support of their driver for the recently announced Viewsonic V3D241wm-LED 3D Display, like for example that the driver will also work with Radeon HD 4000 series of GPUs as well as Nvidia video cards. The iZ3D Driver now has a single generic 120Hz mode that is probably supposed to be used with 120Hz LCD monitors like the one from Viewsonic, but nothing for HDMI 1.4a output for example. And the now so good news for the people that probably had some hopes for getting some sort of support for their 3D-capable HDMs are left out with nothing, even the previously somewhat working support using the generic shutter modes is now gone…

Still we are left out without a lot of information, for example regarding the HDMI 1.4a support that will ensure compatibility with the new wave of stereoscopic 3D-capable HDTVs, and what about the support for the older 3D DLP HDTVs. Will we be able to use older cards, before the newest 6000-series that do have HDMI 1.4a hardware, like for example 4000 or 5000 series that do have older HDMI hardware, but that is actually not something that may stop you from implementing support for the HDMI 1.4(a) frame packing format for stereo 3D content, however did AMD do it or not? Then again the very important question for the current owners of 3D Vision-capable 120Hz 3D LCD monitors – will they be able to use their monitors with an AMD video card and a pair of shutter glasses if they just get the glasses and the video card? I do hope to soon be able to get my hands on some of the first 3D-capable products based on the new AMD S3D technology in order to be able to find out all the details I need and am sure a lot of you also want to know, but the bigger question here is why we aren’t getting this information officially form AMD? I mean if you are the leader on the market and have no competition you can do pretty much whatever you want, keeping the customers in the dark, but if you have to offer a better and more open solution to convert existing S3D enthusiasts and attract new users you have not only to offer a better solution, but also to have all the answers to the most important questions users will ask immediately…

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