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Samsung’s New 3D LCD Monitors Will Not Be 3D Vision Compatible

April 27th, 2011 · 56 Comments · Other S3D Tech


It seems that the new Samsung 3D LCD monitors and 3D Monitors/HTVS from the series 750 and 950 will not be 3D Vision ready based on information coming from Nvidia, furthermore these will also not be supported with the 3DTV Play software as they are not generally considered as 3D HDTVs, but 3D monitors. So if you are wondering what middleware will these new SA/TA750 and SA/TA950 3D monitors from Samsung be using to make your PC games in stereo 3D mode, it will be DDD’s TriDef 3D software as it was announced earlier this month by DDD. Samsung has long been a DDD partner in regards to 3D technology, although they were the first on the market with a 120Hz 3D-capable LCD PC monitor for the launch of Nvidia’s 3D Vision technology. Why they’ve decided not to support 3D Vision anymore is not clear, but most likely because they want to sell more of their active shutter glasses and not use Nvidia’s.

Samsung’s 23-inch S23A750 and 27-inch S27A750 3D monitors will feature D-sub, HDMI 1.4 and Displayport connectivity, while the 23-inch S23A950 and the 27-inch S27A950 are the 3D monitors that will have D-sub, HDMI 1.4, Displayport and Dual-Link DVI connectivity. All of these models are with Full HD 1920×1080 resolution, 2 ms response time, 1000:1 contrast ratio and use TN panels with LED backlight.

Samsung’s 23-inch T23A750, 27-inch T27A750, 23-inch T23A950 and 27-inch T27A950 are the 3D monitor/HDTV combination that features HDMI 1.4 connectivity as well as Component and Composite video inputs, these of course do come with a TV tuner built in. All of these models are with Full HD 1920×1080 resolution, 5 ms response time, 1000:1 contrast ratio and use TN panels with LED backlight.

These new monitors will support PC gaming in stereo 3D through the TriDef 3D software and it should be equally compatible with both Nvidia and ATI/AMD-based GPUs (although DDD talks only about AMD and Intel 2nd Gen Core processors graphics), they should also work with 3D-capable consumer electronic devices such as the PS3 that output 3D according to the HDMI 1.4 3D specs. You also get 2D to 3D real-time conversion built-in for different input should you need and want to use that autoconversion function due to lack of stereo 3D content to watch.

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56 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Philip Heggie // Apr 27, 2011 at 13:24

    I’m not surprised since the latest Nvidia drivers don’t work
    using Direct3d using Tridef DDD software. Probably an anti-competetive move
    by Nvidia to force DDD out of their market space.

  • 2 quadrophoeniX // Apr 27, 2011 at 13:36

    Dang… I already put the 27″ on my list and was ready to pull the trigger when released… Sale lost.

  • 3 yoomy // Apr 27, 2011 at 13:47

    Will they support 120hz for video games? That is the most important feature for me.

  • 4 Bloody // Apr 27, 2011 at 13:57

    With the models that have Dual-Link DVI and Displayport connectors you should be able to use 120Hz refresh in 2D mode.

  • 5 Mathew Orman // Apr 27, 2011 at 15:00

    No need for hackware. nVidia will work perfectly with those monitors as long as one uses 3D Vision Kit.

    Mathew Orman

  • 6 quadrophoeniX // Apr 27, 2011 at 15:49

    what makes you think so, when the news says explicitedly
    “…will not be 3D Vision ready based on information coming from Nvidia, furthermore these will also not be supported with the 3DTV Play software…”
    Also browsing the specs they do not even have DVI just HDMI 1.4 :(
    (Frankly, I knew this before, still it sucks)

  • 7 Mathew Orman // Apr 27, 2011 at 16:39

    They all have D-sub and nVidia technology is fully programmable for any display from past, present and future to come.
    Guaranteed to work with every monitor on the market.

    Mathew Orman

  • 8 Bloody // Apr 27, 2011 at 17:01

    However you are not able to get 1920×1080 at 120Hz over the analog D-SUB VGA interface and even at lower resolutions the monitor may not support 120Hz refresh rate over it…

  • 9 astonish // Apr 27, 2011 at 17:11

    Ugh. Market fragmentation. Hopefully you will test these monitors anyway, as I’m curious to see their ghosting performance, but that sucks about not using 3D vision. Hopefully the PC world can settle into something, 3D vision or not, so that the quality of 3D ready games can improve.

  • 10 steve // Apr 27, 2011 at 17:32

    I guess Nvidia must charge a fair whack for their crappy label. Thrown in detection of Nvidia GPU before it will work in 3d mode and you can see why Samsung don’t want to limit their market.

    Hopefully IZ3D will get their universal emitter out soon enough and WE can make the choices then!

  • 11 Dennis // Apr 27, 2011 at 17:53

    “you can see why Samsung don’t want to limit their market.”

    They’ll regret it. 3d exists in Pc world thanks to nVidia. And thats the only reason i’m buying a 3d monitor. To play 3d pc games. For movies theres a bunch of good tv sets out there.

  • 12 Mathew Orman // Apr 27, 2011 at 18:02

    D-SUB has at least 1Ghz bandwidth and nVidia can do 150Hz at 1920 x 1080. The nVidia pro adapters can do 2k at 150Hz and there are 4k adapters on the nVidia’s engineering drawing board right now.

    4k CRT full color monitor was introduced at SIGGRAPH 1990 in Dallas, TX in 1990 and that is 20 years ago.

    Mathew Orman

  • 13 Toby Newman // Apr 27, 2011 at 18:06

    NVidia’s 3D vision is not supported in XP, but TriDef is.
    This is good news for people who are avoiding moving to the latest version of Windows.

  • 14 Mathew Orman // Apr 27, 2011 at 18:12

    For nVidia – XP combination one can now buy ELSA clone glasses (US$ 30) which are better quality the nVidia’s 3D Vision glasses.
    XP nVidia supports third party glasses and eye sync and there is no need for any hackware at all.

    Mathew Orman

  • 15 Bloody // Apr 27, 2011 at 18:13

    Mathew, it is not only up to what the interface may be capable of, but it depends much more on what the electronics inside the Samsung monitors is capable of… and I doubt that Samsung will be using a solution for the analog inputs allowing 120Hz.

  • 16 Mathew Orman // Apr 27, 2011 at 18:31

    Who is going to buy a monitor which is not 3D HD compatible with the latest PC technology…
    Samsung is going to shoot it self in a foot if D-SUB will have artificially reduced performance.
    Millions of users are asking for full HD monitor capable of 120 to 150Hz performance.
    If Samsung fails the LG and others will have a field day.

    Mathew Orman

  • 17 Chinu Hark // Apr 27, 2011 at 20:09

    I also asked this for the new LG FPR monitors. Why are they incompatible with 3DTV Play which says “if it has HDMI 1.4 or 1.4a, it should work”. Who cares if its a monitor or a TV. They have HDMI 1.4 and support SBS, over under, sequential etc, dont they?

  • 18 gilbery007 // Apr 27, 2011 at 20:18

    Hey Bloody, do you know wether or not these monitors are compatible with Samsungs current active glasses for their TV models? If so then this is a major plus for those who own a large 3D TV and it is a Samsung! Quite sucky though that these have no DVI input for Dual DVI 120HZ gaming:(

  • 19 PCStory // Apr 27, 2011 at 20:19

    Is it possible to play in 120 hz via displayports?? With a 3d vision kit and an nvidia gpu with a displayport you should be able to play with both glasses.

    Correct me if i am wrong…

  • 20 PCStory // Apr 27, 2011 at 20:21

    The new glasses from samsung work with blue-ray technology. If your old glasses are IR receiver or DLP, they won’t work.

  • 21 PCStory // Apr 27, 2011 at 20:38

    Hoo, first IPS 3d monitor to be released by the end of may from mitsubishi

  • 22 Bloody // Apr 27, 2011 at 21:50

    But that new Mitsubishi IPS monitor will also be with passive polarization like the new LG Cinema 3D monitors and not 120Hz with active shutter glasses.

  • 23 josh // Apr 27, 2011 at 23:26

    general opinion question. for 3d gaming and 3d video viewing is nviida 3d vision witha 3d vision monitor/ display the best solution?

  • 24 Mathew Orman // Apr 28, 2011 at 00:49

    Yes, as always.

    Mathew Orman

  • 25 franco // Apr 28, 2011 at 04:33

    I don’t understand why companies make displays for Tridef or IZ3D since they’re inferior to 3D Vision cause they only offer SBS or checkerboard which is half resolution per eye and 3D Vision frame sequential offers full resolution per eye, way better 3D quality. This move by Samsung is pretty dumb.

    I think Tridef and IZ3D have an advantage compared to 3DTV Play, cause then you can play games in checkerboard or SBS at 1902x1080p60hz, which is much better than 1280x720p frame packing considering 1080p24hz frame packing is not suitable for gaming.
    But making PC display only compatible with Tridef is just silly has hell cause it’s inferior, at least give all choices, who’s going to buy those displays I wonder?????
    3dvision kit is not really that expensive…

  • 26 Troub // Apr 28, 2011 at 06:04

    So if I want to play pc games in 3D will it work with this monitor? I do have a nvidia 480 card.

  • 27 josh // Apr 28, 2011 at 06:43

    Troub – not sure if this will work with your card, however i have the same video card and nvidia 3d vision kit and a alienware aw2310 3d monitor and it works perfectly with and without 3d. (there is minor backlight bleeding)

  • 28 Gerard // Apr 28, 2011 at 06:52

    Curious if quad buffered stereo shuttering will fly here without using 3D vision software and an older eyewear/emitter like the NuVision setup I used to work with. That would bring the bit cauldron glasses into play no?

  • 29 quadrophoeniX // Apr 28, 2011 at 14:03

    Oh really, do they all have DSUB?
    http://www.samsung.de/de/Privatkunden/Buero/Displays/ConsumerDisplays/t27a750/LT27A750EXEN/detail.aspx?atab=specifications

  • 30 PCStory // Apr 30, 2011 at 01:56

    Hi, do you know if it’s possible to use a 3dvision external emitter with these monitors and is it possible to get 3d/1080p hd with amd and/or nvidia graphic card with displayport 1.2?

  • 31 Ricardo // Apr 30, 2011 at 16:21

    Guys, FORGET ABOUT NVIDIA 3D VISON!

    Yeah, I owned a pair and returned because it darkens everything!

    I used TriedDef (checkerboard) with my Samsung 3D tv and walla… it’s way better than 3D vision.

    Now with this new 27″ 3d monitor I will enjoy 120hz and best of all, will not have to wear these outdated Nvidia glasses. Yes, outdated… it won’t even come close to my Samsung 3d glasses.

    For those who say otherwise, they simply don’t know what they are talking about.

    Rembember, I’m someone who tested both technologies.

  • 32 Manse // May 3, 2011 at 10:55

    Can see that the “SaS23A750D” might be in stock soon at stores here,´getting kinda confused by all the different names and whatnot, just got one simple question, will this be able to run 120hz in 2D? what im mostly looking for is a monitor running 120hz since im kinda picky when it comes to the smoothness of the picture, probably why im still using a CRT to play games on ;)

    Maybe there might even be an alternative that might suit me better.

    Just thought i might aswell wait for the next gen 120hz monitors.

  • 33 Bloody // May 3, 2011 at 11:35

    Manse, it should be able to work in 120Hz 2D mode through the DP port at least, but I’d suggest to wait a bit more in order for the first reviews of the monitor to start popping out before making a final decision in order to confirm this for sure.

  • 34 PCM // May 3, 2011 at 12:36

    @Manse and Bloody

    The SA750 series does not have a DVI port which may have caused some concern regarding ‘true’ 120Hz output. It does, however, have a DisplayPort and we have received confirmation from various sources (including Samsung) that the monitors will natively support 120Hz refresh rates – and there is no reason why this can’t be outputted via DisplayPort which has the required bandwidth for this.

  • 35 Leepee // May 18, 2011 at 02:55

    WHEN is the big answer on my lips. And how much. I want the 23″, because I haven’t found anything that will work with my new ATI cards yet. Unless I’m missing something, this looks like the tech I want, from a company I trust. When do we think these will be out?

    I want to game in 3D, we need options ATI :(

  • 36 Pedz // May 19, 2011 at 20:47

    In the UK A retailer has emailed me that they should have stock in June, and the 27inch 950 will be around 450 GBP. So pretty damn good price I say :P. Even if it doesnt support Nvidia 3D, 3D is 3D…

  • 37 Maze // May 26, 2011 at 10:58

    i dont see the reason why 3d vision should not work with the (S!!) s27a950? I thought the only requirement for 3d Vision is true native 120Hz an duallink-dvi, which the s27a950 both has??

  • 38 Gabe // May 27, 2011 at 07:20

    You also need to synchronize the frames with the IR emitter. Besides, why would they say that it is not compatible if it is? Samsung may have decided to make money on the glasses as well, not just the monitor. I guess we may just have to wait and see…

  • 39 Maze // May 27, 2011 at 09:37

    @Gabe…I meant the emitter from the 3d vision kit! (I thought you need a Monitor with a higher freuquency in 2D Mode eg. 120Hz and the emitter from Nvidia plugged in per usb and the nividia glasses and thats it?)

  • 40 Gabe // May 27, 2011 at 16:03

    @Maze: I am not an expert on 3D (just looking to get my monitor), so if I’m wrong someone should correct me. This is my understanding. In 3D vision, the monitor will rapidly switch the left and right image at 120HZ. The IR emitter will also pulse at 120Hz. The glasses will “black out” one side of the glass as the IR emitter tells them to. So, the glasses will black out the opposite side of the image that is show, i.e.:

    monitor: L – R – L – R
    glass black out: R – L – R – L

    That is how your brain reconstructs both the left and right image. However, they might decide to use another scheme even though the monitor is 120Hz. For example, they might show both images interlaced, and use polarization, like the Mitsubishi Diamondcrysta RDT233WX described earlier in the blog. Or maybe the timing in how they switch between the frames will be a bit slower than what is assumed by the 3d glasses, resulting in extensive ghosting. Who knows?

    The monitor seems certainly capable for true 3D vision, so I’m hoping that will be the case. You only need the 120Hz if you plan to do the L – R – L – R scheme. If you use polarization, you can just show both images simultaneously at 60Hz, and use the polarized glasses to “filter out” which image is relevant. We might just have to see how it works…

  • 41 Maze // May 27, 2011 at 20:26

    @Gabe..thanks for your explanations!
    i see, we will just have to wait (waiting for a 27″ 3D TFT for months now!)
    in germany/austria the t27a750 is now available

  • 42 Falesh // Jun 3, 2011 at 00:54

    @franco, you say that Tridef only offer SBS or checkerboard but from what I can see they offer “Page-Flipped (OpenGL Stereo, Quad Buffered Frame-Sequential)”.

  • 43 Disapointed // Jun 18, 2011 at 07:42

    I just got a 27″ a950. To all those asking, yes it does 120hz in 2D, its a nice 2D monitor, BUT I have a nvidia gtx580. So , tridef will only allow me to use a “side by side” 3d mode, not frame sequential. IF you have an AMD card however you get the frame sequential. nice.

    SO then you have to change the display mode with the monitor menu to side by side. Pretty lame. Low res too cause its using 2 images side by side then the monitor combines them.

    I will be looking into getting a 3dvision setup to work with the monitor, and hopefully get frame sequential. 3d glasses dont even work with my samsung tv! (un46c7000) arg!

  • 44 BooM // Jun 20, 2011 at 03:49

    @Disapointed, how did you go with 3dvision setup? Ive got gtx580 too and torn between getting acer HN274h now or waiting for a950 to be available my area

  • 45 Disapointed // Jun 21, 2011 at 03:36

    I havent yet, but considering it is a 120 hz monitor there shouldnt be an issue. Im waiting for the cheaper usb plug in glasses.

  • 46 BooM // Jun 21, 2011 at 03:56

    so you need separate glasses for frame sequential to work with nvidia?

    edit: with this monitor that is

  • 47 Disapointed // Jun 21, 2011 at 11:57

    Yep unless something changes ie. Tridef software changes ,hackware , or 3dvision decides to support it natively etc

  • 48 BooM // Jun 22, 2011 at 01:58

    thanks. Then my decision is made… I’m getting the Acer. Shame cos I really like the look of the sammy screens

  • 49 bman917 // Jul 29, 2011 at 13:13

    I just bough this monitor.

    1. It doesn’t work with Nvidia 3d vision. The stereoscopic setup for 3d vision is not able to detect SA950 as a compatible monitor. This is despite the fact that the refresh rate is set to 120Hz.

    2. I find that this monitor’s finish is way too glossy. When it displays any dark image, I can very clearly see my own reflection and the reflection of most of what’s behind me. Reducing ambient light helps a bit but the reflection is still there. For brighter images I’m still able to see reflections but I have to concentrate a bit.

    3. This monitor is sensitive to any change in viewing angles. Even if this monitor’s stand only allows for a 20 degree tilt, that has a significant effect to the picture quality. It has a setting called “Magic Angles” that to compensate for this but its really not that much helpful.

    4. 3D using Tridef side-by-side using nvidia is not playable. It appears using Tridef with nvidia puts a cap on the framerate. You might last a few minutes, after that it will give you a headache. The 3D effect is very good though, depth quality is awesome.

    5. The Picture quality is brilliant and crisp. But you’ll get the same for a much much cheaper alternative.

    Suffice to say that I’m not too happy with this monitor.

  • 50 Karl // Aug 3, 2011 at 13:46

    @bman917, thanks for your review. I’m really disappointed because i thought that s27a950d possibly work with nvidia 3d vision somehow. Now that you have already confirmed, it seems there’s no possibility before some new hackware or device comes out. :( I guess i’ll just have to go with planar sa2311w or gn245hq. Anyway, thanks ! You helped me find the answer.

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