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Using GeForce GTX 580 for 720p and 1080p Stereo 3D Gaming

April 26th, 2012 · 16 Comments · GeForce 3D Vision


It has been over a month already since the official introduction of the GeFocre GTX 680 video card and the demand is still quite high, so that these models are still out of stock in most places and you can usually find them in places that sell them for more than the recommended end user price. It would be strange is Nvidia is still not able to provide enough supply a month after the initial launch, so I’m going to be benchmarking the GeForce GTX 580 here. The idea is to find how well the GTX 580 card performs in stereo 3D mode with the more recent games and if it really is already outdated or you can wait a few more months for better availability and pricing of the GTX 680, or maybe even skip the GTX 680 and go directly to GTX 685/690 or why not even 7xx…

I’ve started doing the following tests with the idea to see how well is the GTX 580 handling 720p resolution with 4xAA (Anti-Aliasing) in order to see if the card is still powerful enough for people using 3D-capable projectors or 3D HDTVs for gaming in stereoscopic 3D mode. You know that the 3D-capable TV sets and 3D-capable projectors limit you to 720p resolution with high-enough (50/60Hz) refresh rate for gaming in stereo 3D mode, unlike 3D monitors, most of which do support 1080p 3D mode with 60 fps. And in the process I’ve decided to also compare with 1080p mode using no AA as well as to give a stereoscopic 3D rating to the games I test with. And the list of games grew to 20 popular and more demanding game titles released roughly in the last 6-8 months, regardless of them being 3D ready or not. So in the end I’ve managed to do a few things, do some performance comparison using a single GTX 580 card in 720p and 1080p 3D mode and check the situation of the 3D support for some of the popular games released recently.



In the table above you can see the results from my testing that took quite a while more than I initially have planned, and I do plan to extend it even further in the next few weeks of time. Note that the fps listed in the table are the ones achieved in stereo 3D mode with 60 fps being the maximum (120 frames per second in total, 60 for each eye to get the 3D effect). The benchmarking at 1080p 3D mode is with the games running at high detail settings with no AA, unless the game does not allow you to completely turn it off. For 720p 3D mode the games were running again in high details, but with 4xAA applied in order to compensate for the more easily visible jagged edges that the lower resolution produces. Have in mind that some games had a frame caps and others needed to have the AA forced trough the Nvidia control panel in order for them to work, so have in mind this when you see the lower framerates with some games. The 3D Rating is something that I quickly devised based on my personal requirements for a good stereoscopic 3D experience, the things that I expect to see in a game, with the maximum rating being 10 points and the minimum 1. A game with a rating of 1 would be actually unplayable in stereoscopic 3D mode, a rating of 5 is on the edge of ensuring decent playability in stereo 3D mode with some tweaking of the settings in the game and a rating of 10 would mean perfect stereoscopic 3D experience. As you can see there are no tens, but there is a game with a rating of 1 and quite a few with 5 or less, but there are also a lot with higher ratings as well, meaning that things are not so bad when talking about stereoscopic 3D compatibility.

Have in mind that all the benchmarking has been done using the games with no tweaks, mods or fixes of any kind in order to give an idea about what experience the user can get out of the box when he gets a game and tries to play it in stereoscopic 3D mode. There are some annoying things and limitations that could easily be overridden like the 30 fps frame cap limits in Alice Madness Returns or L.A. Noire, or get a better experience in stereoscopic 3D mode using user mods like the ones available for Skyrim or Mass Effect 3 that can help in getting much better experience. Not to mention different performance tweaks and optimizations that can help you get better looking graphics, more details or even higher fps without sacrificing visual quality. But as I’ve said, the idea was to get an adequate overview of the situation with out of the box game compatibility and performance in stereoscopic 3D mode and I think I’ve managed to do it quite decently.

And now for a bit of statistics. Out of 20 games that I’ve tested with 10 are with rating of 8 or 9 out of 10, meaning that they are looking very good in stereoscopic 3D mode and that is half of the titles that I’ve used and I did not specifically go for games that are being optimized for 3D, but instead for games that were released roughly in the last 6-8, are more popular and generally more demanding in terms of performance. There are some games that are on the edge with a rating of 5-6, but for some of them such as Mass Effect 3 using some user made modifications you can get much better stereoscopic 3D experience. There are also some games with very low rating that are practically unplayable in stereo 3D mode due to some serious issues and I’m actually quite disappointed, because sports simulators such as NBA or FIFA could benefit a lot from proper stereoscopic 3D support and that also goes for other sports games as well. Other games like Alan Wake for example started quite bad in terms of stereoscopic 3D support (although the developer of that particular one was claiming good S3D support), but they have been improving the situation a bit by bit with updates, so in a few more updates the game might actually movie among the titles with twice as high 3D rating than the one it currently has. Some other games have already walked this way, for example Dirt 3 and Hard Reset weren’t working very well in stereo 3D mode at first, when they were released, but with updates the experience in S3D mode that they now provide has been significantly improved.

And now back to the GTX 580, definitely still more than capable for stereoscopic 3D gaming and will be for quite a while actually. Have in mind that the results in the table above have been made on a system running Intel Core i5 2500K CPU on an Asus P67 motherboard and neither the processor, not the video card have been overclocked for the testing – they were running on stock speeds. So you can get even higher framerates after overclocking your hardware and if you already have a second GTX 580 in SLI, then unless you are using 3D Vision Surround setup, there is even less reason to upgrade at the moment. However if you are still using a GTX 480 or a slower card form the 400 or 500 series, then upgrading to GTX 680 or the upcoming slightly slower models might be a good idea, especially considering the fact that the latest GeForce 600 series GPUs are coming with some new useful features, along with the improved performance and the reduced power consumption.


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16 responses so far ↓

  • 1 HCForde // Apr 27, 2012 at 05:52

    This article is so spot-on for me right now. I am looking for a projector over a monitor because of all the seemingly quality control production issues the 27″ monitors have had, buyers never seem to know what they are going to get when they fire one up. (I even created a post in the forum a few days ago about this) Today I have been researching DLP vs LCD, 1080P vs 720P, & the 3D-XL unit. I was wondering what the FPS would be on the different gaming scenarios and you have anticipated my need. LOL

    This is a lot of work and I thank you for all the effort you have put into it and look forward to your upcoming additions to this article.

    THANKS AGAIN

  • 2 josh // Apr 27, 2012 at 11:46

    i just installed a gtx 680 and it is much more quiet compared to my previous gtx 465s in sli. i am also getting about 20-25 extra fps in witcher 2 maxed out. averaging about 60 fps maxed out with no ubersampling.

  • 3 badelhas // Apr 27, 2012 at 19:54

    thanks bloody, i though you had forgoten your promess but i see ur are a man of your word! Nice work. :)

  • 4 kumamon // Apr 27, 2012 at 22:06

    A few words on the visual differences between gaming on 1080 vs 720 would be quite nice.

  • 5 badelhas // Apr 28, 2012 at 03:16

    i play at 720p with full AA with a big projector screen and it looks great

  • 6 josh // Apr 28, 2012 at 23:49

    when i play pc games, just to try i change the resolution from 1080p to 720p with other settings maxed out and there is a HUGE difference. 720p looks significantly worse than 1080p. i mostly play game on a asus 27 inch 3d monitor therefore maybe on a big TV or projector 720p gaming with or without 3d is less noticeable. i wish tvs would come with DVI-D connections and be nvidia 3d vision compatible and I have absolutely no clue why they don’t.

  • 7 badelhas // Apr 30, 2012 at 02:58

    me neither.

  • 8 carl22 // Apr 30, 2012 at 18:35

    Is there any way I get above 60fps in 3d mode using 120hz 3d monitor?

  • 9 Bloody // Apr 30, 2012 at 18:58

    No, there isn’t… you get maximum of 60 fps per eye or total of 120.

  • 10 hcforde // May 3, 2012 at 09:03

    josh & badelhas, I went on a quest a couple of years ago and found that TV’s will only accept a 60HZ signal from outside the box so even if you were feeding it via a DVI the best you could get would be 30FPS per eye. The 120HZ & 240HZ are processed inside the TV. When used with games the 120HZ and 240HZ introduces lag. There are some that have ‘game modes’ but all it does is decrease the lag time and will do nothing for framerates.

    When they introduce the 4K displays I hope they incorporate 120HZ as standard. Imaging 2 – 3GB GT690 cards being brought to a standstill because it cant process the frames fast enough.

    By the time that is affordable we should have the video cards to run it sufficiently though.

  • 11 Takumix // May 4, 2012 at 16:44

    This video comparison on performances between 570, 580 & 680 with a 1080p Asus VG236H takes a different direction on its conclusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV73shxh6_Q

  • 12 Takumix // May 4, 2012 at 17:20

    josh & 10hcforde:

    You don’t need a DVI-D port on TVs as you can easily plug a DVI cable in a HDMI port with a simple adapter, and Nvidia 3D Vision already officialy supports a lot of TVs with 3D Play.

    The problem is that TV don’t support 120hz@1080p, because the manufacturers see them mainly as devices to display TV & movies or current-gen console games, and not the 3D games available on the much more powerful PC.

    The proof is that they take the HDMI standard as the base for the TV specifications, and the last 1.4a norm has foreseen the bandwitdth required to display a 2D resolution of 4K × 2K only up to 24hz, which is the framerate chosen for decades by the movie industry. (
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdmi#Version_1.4
    http://www.hdmi.org/press/press_release.aspx?prid=101 )

    Which implies that the HDMI 1.4 has enough bandwitdh for 1080p 3D only at 24hz at most, or for 720p 3D at 60hz.

    Now the only chance to see TV 3D framerate catch up with the one of PC monitors, would be either that consoles to become an incentive by becoming powerful enough to output 1080p 3D@120hz, or that enough PC Gamers raise their voice through an online petition.

  • 13 avi // Jul 11, 2012 at 13:10

    Nice article. Optoma hd33 or hd300x is almost in my shopping cart. I have gtx460 1gb oc sli which is equal to 580 if sli works well.3dtv play is 720p60hz is it same as 60fps in 2d or is it 30fps per eye or what? I don’t like 30fps games because yknow. Could someone tell 720p 3d 60hz is it great experience after 60hz 2d

  • 14 Bloody // Jul 11, 2012 at 13:45

    720p 60Hz 3D mode means you get 60 fps per eye (120 in total), it works great with projectors on a really big screen… ;)

  • 15 avi // Jul 11, 2012 at 14:56

    Thx a lot bloody. Hd33 is supported on nvidia 3dtv play site, but not the 300€ cheaper hd300x which is basically same model. I read it here that the Edid mod doesn’t work anymore with 3xx drivers. Is there hope to get the hd300x model supported or just pay 300€ more same product.

  • 16 Bloody // Jul 11, 2012 at 16:00

    Well, even if the new driver tries to ignore the EDID override information you’ve provided and tries to read it from the display device you can just isolate the pins responsible for EDID, so it will not be able to physically access that data anyway…

    http://3dvision-blog.com/4100-how-to-use-any-3d-dlp-projector-together-with-3d-vision/

    Haven’t played with the latest drivers and EDID override to see if this solution will work with them, but there is high probability it will… :)

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