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Projectiondesign F35 AS3D 1920×1200 120Hz 3D DLP Projector

November 2nd, 2011 · 8 Comments · General 3D News


Finally there is a 3D-capable projector that natively supports Full HD or actually even a bit higher 1920×1200 resolution (16:10 aspect ratio) with up to 120Hz refresh rate in stereoscopic 3D mode. Made by the Norwegian company Projectiondesign, the F35 AS3D is a high-end 3D DLP projector that is unfortunately not intended for home users and the fact that there is no price quoted on the manufacturer’s website simply means that the device won’t be something that everyone can place in their home to play games in stereo 3D mode (should be over 25K USD). The lamp life is up to 2000 hours in full power or up to 2500 hours in Eco mode. The maximum brightness level you can get is up to 7500 ANSI lumens and the maximum contrast is up to 7500:1, quite impressive specs if this was a consumer product, but not that surprising levels for a high-end solution intended for professional use such as scientific visualization, virtual reality, visitor attraction and training and simulation applications.



This 3D projector supports both 1920×1200 and 1920×1080 resolutions with 120Hz in 3D move with frame sequential 3D input over a Dual-Link DVI interface, it is also equipped with HDMI 1.3 connectors that can be used for lower resolution 3D content (no HDMI 1.4 frame packaging support). It uses DLP Link active shutter glasses, but there is also a 3D-Sync connector that is essentially a standard 3-pin mini-DIN VESA stereo connector that allows you to connect an external IR emitter and use other types of glasses as well. Imagine gaming with that in stereo 3D mode using 3D Vision at home.

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  • 1 BL1NDS1DE13 // Nov 3, 2011 at 06:12

    I have been waiting to see something like this as well. Judging by the brightness alone, I would wager your prices guess is likely in line, but twice that price would not surprise me in the least.

    On projectors, I was at an Optoma, Panamorph, Screen Innovations training tonight and found out several things that could be of interest to gamers and/or 3D diy’ers.

    Optoma

    The Optoma 3D XL 3D converter box (used to connect old 120hz non 1.4 DLP projectors to 1.4 devices, connect an AMD card for 3D, etc…) can be linked in a pair to pull left and right frames from a 1.4 frame packed source. This gives you up to 1080p L and R to go to 2 projectors. The intention is to now use 2 polarized glass filers in front of the projectors and now use passive glasses.

    So this still just gives you 720p 60 or 1080p 24, so still not ideal for PC gaming, but would give you:
    -left and right images are shown simultaneously, doubling the frame rate each eye sees instead of flickering back and forth
    -lose some brightness thru glass filters, but double brightness without the flickering and about double again since it is 2 projectors.
    -This would essentially be the way an imax theater is set up.

    So for gaming you would just pick projectors that have DVI inputs and run dual link to video card. I know iz3D would work this way, likely DDD as well. 3Dvision would have to use the HDTV play thru the converter boxes.

    Generally, a passive set up like this requires a high gain silver screen to combat the light loss thru filters and optoma is suggesting the same thing for this set up…. which bring me to the next interesting point as well.

    The silver screen has always been the deal breaker on this setup because it looks like crap in 2D.

    The new screen innovations 1.4 black diamond screen has been tested to work with passive polarized 3D. They are 3-5k for a 90+ in screen ( up to 144 i think), but the screens are amazing and were designed for use with lights on in a room, or with the lights off in a room it makes a projection screen look like a flat panel.

  • 2 Gerard // Nov 3, 2011 at 18:46

    Put a polarization modulator infront of this and you are going to get amazing passive stereo. You get what you pay for.

  • 3 BlackShark // Nov 3, 2011 at 19:01

    I own a passive polarised projector setup, there are some incorrect things in what you wrote.

    The silver-screen requirement for dual-projectors is not to keep light intensity (shutter glasses based 3D has the exact same filters in the LCD shutter glasses). The high gain of these screens is a secondary effect of the use of metal to reflect light. The actual reason for the use of silver-screens is to preserve the polarised properties of light. If you use a traditional screen, the light polarisation won’t be preserved as light bounces off the screen and you’ll get almost full crosstalk. Silver-screens are not the only type of screens that preserve polarisation but they’re the most popular among passive polarised 3D users, mainly due to availability and performance/price.

    Silver-screens are not widely popular for 2D projection for a number of reasons (price per square metre, very vulnerable to wrinkles, non-rollable, very hard to wash without damaging them, almost impossible to repair). Picture quality issues is not that simple to describe because they depend greatly on the viewing conditions.
    Some people will claim that anything other than white matte screen is crap, that is a misconception. Some people actually like high gain screens for the significant light boost they provide and want high gain screens because they look better in non-light controlled rooms.

    The Screen-Innovations Black Diamond is not a silver-screen but it is known to preserve polarisation, however the only person at AVS forums who actually tested it (BD Gen 2 1.4 gain version) with passive polarised 3D got really bad results with huge polarisation uniformities across the screen, colour-dependent artefacts and strong crosstalk.

    Screen Innovations has revised it’s claims about 3D compatibility of it’s screens and now only promotes the BD Gen 3 2.7 gain as passive 3D compatible. Nobody reviewed this screen under passive polarised 3D yet.

  • 4 BL1NDS1DE13 // Nov 4, 2011 at 03:31

    First, Gerard, an optoma or other projector with a vesa port ( i use optoma as an example since all new models have one ) can use a polarizer by realD, depthQ, or 1 other makes one as well. As far as I know the cheapest right now is about $5K. I expect someone will make one of these for a lot less at some point… This also is going to give you alternating L/R like active glasses, but without the flickering in front of your eyes, which is better.

    The setup I described would be brighter b/c of 2 projectors, and would not be alternating L/R. As I said, the setup I describe would be like Imax 3D, with a polarizer it would be like a RealD cinema.

    You get what you pay for….

    So unless a polarizer is cheaper than I am aware of, the way I described it would be $800- 2 3D XL boxes, $2000- 2 decent DLP 1080 P projectors (or better), $1000 or less for polarized glass filters……. so cheaper and way better, which was my point.

  • 5 BL1NDS1DE13 // Nov 4, 2011 at 04:49

    Blackshark, I digress – to a degree. First let me say if I ever was to set up a passive system I would try to ask your advice, since clearly you likely know more about it than anyone I am aware of.

    Regardless of my poor description of the reason for a silver screen, you still need one.

    I looked at this briefly and looks like the Gen II BD was released March 09… I was at a Screen Innovations training and we were talking about the new version 1.4 BD screen ( Gen 3? I guess). The 2.7 white screen is also rated for polarized 3D. So unless I got this wrong, the “new” 1.4 BD has improvements in light rejection and so forth and is said to work with passive.

    I know he said ( the SI rep ) someone had been playing with this but not sure who… I do believe it was someone at AVS ( it’s a pretty small circle on this sort of thing, as you know…. hell, I was trained in video calibration by Gregg Loewen and Michael Chen myself). Blackshark, hit my link and you can send email from my site and remind me if I forget to check on this for sure.

    So, yes, for clarity a BD is not a silver screen, nor is a stewart firehawk, or dalite HC CV, although they all can look silver and people incorrectly call them as such. A “Silver” screen as we are discussing is a specific material for polarized 3D. I know you and I got that but others could be confused.

    As far as white, I generally recommended white or High gain white ( say studiotek 1.4 ) for extra pop as you described, in a darkened room.

    I have a dalite high contrast cinema vision ( i think it is 1.2 )… I use this because I have my proijector in my living room and have ambient light during the day, without closing 4 doors and 3 windows anyway.

    I have also used firehawk G3 for lowsy light controlled rooms.

    Point is, this new BD is first screen of this type I have seen that did not look “shiny” in spots when you do have the room dark. With lites on, the new 1.4 looks noticably brighter than even the Geb 2 BD.

  • 6 BL1NDS1DE13 // Nov 4, 2011 at 05:15

    Another tid bit for Bloody, Optoma rep also said that their RF glasses were capable of up to 240 hz. There is no way to take advantage of this now, but could have interesting applications…

    Another interesting tid bit, higher end models ( i think 8300 and up?) are using an adaptive frame mode in 3d and 2d. So for a true 24p source it might display that as 72 fps 2d or stereo. A 30 fps source might go 60 or 90 fps ( there were no specifics on this yet ). The idea is to not overly smooth out the picture as most Frame interpolation circuit can when adding frames ( I hate them all, by and large, though some look good for sports).

    My Epson 7500UB has all this and I only use 4:4 to play 24p movies at 96 fps.

  • 7 badelhas // Mar 22, 2012 at 03:47

    any real confirmation on the price or any review yet?

  • 8 hcforde // Apr 18, 2012 at 23:56

    These are real. They are highend no compromise units. They are used at NASA. They are capable of a 2560*1600 image at 400+”. I just talked with a rep that told me the price is about……………$40,000usd.

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