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Toshiba Qosmio F750/F755 Autostereoscopic 3D Laptops This Month

August 12th, 2011 · 25 Comments · Other S3D Tech


Toshiba is set for releasing their first autostereoscopic 3D laptops on the market in the second half of this month, the US version Toshiba Qosmio F755 is set to be available in mid-August for $1,699.99 USD and the European Toshiba Qosmio F750 model is expected by the end of the month in UK with expected price of about £1,300 Pounds. What is the most interesting in these two laptops is the fact that they feature an autostereoscopic 3D display (no special 3D glasses needed) and also use eye-tracking technology for improving the stereoscopic 3D experience. These are the first such laptops coming on the consumer market and LG Electronics is apparently the first company to announce and release a 3D LCD monitor with similar technology – autostereoscopic 3D screen with eye-tracking camera for improved experience and wider viewing angles in stereoscopic 3D mode. This is the 20-inch LG D2000 3D monitor that is currently only available in Korea under the model name LG DX2000 and is expected to be available later this year on other markets as well.

Toshiba is talking about “Active Lens” technology and also a “double parallax image display” for their 3D display which is apparently using switchable lenticular arrays of lenses and LG is talking about “glasses-free parallax barrier” technology for their 3D monitor which is apparently a switchable parallax barrier (although we may as well have the same technology on both). The common thing here is the ability to switch on and off the used technology for providing the stereo 3D effect on demand and thus have a display work in both 2D and 3D mode, depending on what content the user wants to watch (two states – disabled, meaning fully transparent with both eyes seeing the same image and enabled, meaning that each eye sees different image). This however is nothing new as both these technologies have been used a lot by different products for offering autostereoscopic 3D displays for different devices. These solutions however offer only a single or just a few viewing positions that the user needs to be located at in order to be able to see the stereo 3D effect, so in order to overcome this limitation a way to know the exact position of the user is needed. The simple solution for achieving that goal is to add in a camera that tracks the user head movement and more specifically his eyes (not the movement of the eyes, but the eyes themselves in order to track the position of the face)…

Based on the current position of the user’s face the display needs to be able to dynamically readjust the stereo 3D image on the display in order to ensure the best stereo 3D experience for the user watching and to provide seamless transition over a wider viewing angle and not just a few viewing position. Unfortunately neither Toshiba, not LG Electronics give a more detailed description on what and how this adjustment based on the user position is being done, so we’ll have to wait for some more detailed reviews. I still haven’t been able to see the Toshiba Qosmio F750 or F755 live in order to be able to share some feedback, but from what I’ve been reading so far pretty much everyone is complaining that it is not working perfect. There seems to be some delay not in the face tracking, but in readjusting the 3D image displayed on the screen (the left/right pair) and also from seeing more crosstalk, if you’ve been able to personally see it in action you are welcome to share your feedback or any extra information you may have. The clear disadvantage of using this autostereoscopic 3D technology with face-tracking is that you can only have the display optimized for use with just one person as the camera will track only one face, something that may be OK for a 3D-capable laptop, but not as much for a 3D monitor.

Toshiba’s Qosmio F750 and F755 will also feature 2D to 3D real-time conversion technology for movies on DVD Video and normal videos, unfortunately no support for conversion of normal Blu-ray movies to 3D is being offered. You can of course also play Blu-ray 3D movies thanks to the integrated Blu-ray optical drive and the bundled player, and not only on the laptop’s 3D display, but also on an external 3D HDTV for example by using the HDMI 1.4 video output of the laptop. Stereoscopic 3D gaming on the other hand is a bit unclear at the moment, both laptops will feature an Nvidia GeForce 540M graphics card, certainly not the most powerful one for mobile gaming, but not that bad either, the actual problem however lies elsewhere. Due to the fact that Nvidia’s 3D Vision technology is designed for use with active shutter glasses and 120Hz LCD monitors it may not yet be supported on this laptop, but there is talk for a while that such a support may be available later this year. On the other hand you get 3DTV Play support available right from the start should you want to use the laptop with a 3D HDTV.

Another thing that you may find interesting about these new 3D laptops from Toshiba is the fact that they may feature 120Hz LCD displays on top of the autostereoscopic 3D support, there was information about the F750 model that it is with a 120Hz LCD panel, but no mention of that in the official data available for the F755. Toshiba however promotes another 3D-related feature a lot as a first for their solution, the ability to have both 2D and stereo 3D images displayed on the screen at the same time and this is indeed something new for autostereoscopic displays. Usually you have the whole parallax barrier or lenses active all at once for full-screen 3D or have them all deactivated when in normal 2D mode, but with the new Toshiba 3D laptops you can apparently control them independently for different parts of the screen. Now, this may sound very cool – watching a 3D movie (or playing a game in stereo 3D mode) in a window while browsing the web in 2D or working on a document, however it will be harder on the eyes moving between the two and even more distracting doing two such things at the same time. So that extra feature in reality might turn out to be not that useful… the same way as using the face-tracking feature while traveling in a moving vehicle and the laptop shaking and trying to constantly readjust the 3D image on the screen. So for now I would not advice you to jump right into buying any of these laptops, no matter how attractive their features may sound, better wait a bit more after they get released and obtain more feedback from users and reviewers of the final products.

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25 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Paolobar2005 // Aug 13, 2011 at 00:17

    I’m wondering how much strain on the cpu those twin cameras will put, and consequently the drop in performance the user will experience.
    Also, I fear the lag that will probably plague this laptop when the small vibrations (due to typing) will constantly move the monitor, thus recreating the game-breaking “feature” of the 3DS (i.e. the need to re-focus evry time the cameras see the movement).

  • 2 Gekke Henkie // Aug 15, 2011 at 09:54

    I have a question. Since the screen is passive-3D and uses a lenticulair or parallax barrier, half the pixels (in 3D) are seen by the left eye, and the other half by the right eye. Therefore, from the approx. 2 mln pixels in 2D (1920×1080), only 1 mln is seen by each eye. I presume that, therefore, Toshiba says that in 3D the resolution is “EQUIVALENT” to 1366×768 (which is about 1 mln pixels); they are sort of correct in their statement.

    Now, as far as I understand, this is NOT the REAL resolution in 3D! When Toshiba uses every first pixel for one eye, they either use every second pixel ‘vertically’ for the other eye, OR every second pixel ‘horizontally’ for the other eye. Now, I would like to know if they split the vertical or the horizontal resolution! Or, refrased, is the REAL resolution in 3D 1920×540 (vertical split), or 960×1080 (horizontal split)?

  • 3 DOMON FUJIYAMA // Aug 15, 2011 at 11:31

    Hi,
    This Autostereoscopic 3D monitor (eye-tracking technology) is made by AUO (Taiwan).
    I watched this prototype of AUO in Makuhari in last November(10inch and 15inch).
    It is High-definition and brightly lenticular, and an indication area of 3D and 2D is divided in conjunction with application software automatically.
    For example, viewing YouTube3D, it is displayed the comment areas are easy to read in 2D, and only an animation screen is displayed in 3D.
    The whole becomes 3D if on full screen mode.
    The eye-tracking speed was less than 0.3 seconds for my sense.
    However, as for the resolution, width becomes half, but the glasses unnecessary is important.
    AUO told me that almost decided on the contract of supply to some Pad PC.
    3D monitor of a field attaching great importance to convenience and portability than resolution, I think that become standard.

    I am angry at this laptop costing 250,000 yen (abaout US$ 3600) in Japan. It is Too Expensive.

  • 4 Mike // Aug 24, 2011 at 03:54

    Hello,
    I just recieved my f755 Qosmio yesterday and thought you might like a first impression.
    Pro:
    The 3D is fantastic, the tracking system works as advertised and if you maintain a laptop seating distance, movement of your head does not impede the experience. Multiple viewers are possible but not easily accomadated, see below. At launch the Bluray Drive is the only working 3D source as NVIDIA has yet to adapt its included gt540m “3D vision” to the lenticular screen. The system will not activate the screen when showing .MPO or .MP4 3D files which is a gross oversight as it could have been easily accomadated. Hopefully such support is in the works, for now making 3D Bluray’s should be a workaround to view any user content. The Bluray High definition is eroded by the lenticular lens (1390×760), however the shockingly good 3D effect overcomes this and wows everyone who sees it. Objects seemingly float above your keyboard and for the most part the plane pentration is acceptable in both directions, falling apart at the extremes, such as those found in IMAX films or live subject camerawork. I’m sure some more adjustments will come along to adapt the technology for those rare instances. There is significant ghosting on the outer regions of the screen in 3D mode, this is also apparent on the HTC Evo3D screen I use and apparantly a current limitation of the lenticular tech. However, it’s not a dealbreaker and the tracking software mitigates the problem fairly well by readjusting on the fly. With 3D turned off the LCD is full HD res and flawless. high refresh rates, great contrast, with less reflectivity than first expected from it’s glossy appearance. The graphics processor also overwhelms, I had expected something less than the stellar results achieved: CODMW ran in the 30’s at 1900×1080 max detail and 4x ani. That’s incredibly good for a laptop of this size and cost. Oh yes the cost, $1499 in the US at BestBuy is a terrific price point. Keyboard is large and full keypad with touchpad integrated well. Lighted accents make essential functions easy to find. Lots of ports. Core i7 is great. Red textured top is hadsome and overall fit and finish while plasticky, seems professional and tough.
    CONS:
    3D was completely inverted on first launch as the settings were wrong. Absolutely no documentation to explain the process of calibrating the 3D screen which must be done before use to see wonderful effects. The included “XTune” calibration software is a joke, riddled with confusing “engrish” and requiring all three levels of calibration before flawless 3D is perceptable. Unbelievable that Toshiba has provided such a lack of support for this feature. As mentioned above, NVIDIA has full 3D vision suite included, but has not integrated the driver to the lenticular screen. This seems laughably delinquint on such a trendsetting machine and NVIDIA would be warned to not waste time allowing us to use our hardware to view 3D pictures videos and utilize 3D gaming. I’m sure competitors will sieze the market soon as people will be amazed by this tech when the see it. The Bluray software seems to crash when changing discs so I recommend shutting and restarting the software between titles. Also the player balked often while playing Tron in 3D and the screen seemed to lose 3D depth on some scenes. I blame Disney as all Sony 3D Blurays were flawless, and CGI heavy BRdiscs provided the best experience. Avatar, Open Season, Cirque De Soliel Journey of man were all tested. The tracking software does not like a second pair of eyes and often goes haywire when it detects a second or third viewer. That being said, the screen does provide limited 3D for multiple viewers, but they must view from a tangent unlikely to be appreciated for long stints. Lack of a lighted keyboard option is dissapointing as the shiny black keys are very hard to discern at night. The 5400 rpm hard drive is too slow for a screaming bus speed and high performance machine like this. The weight of this unit is on the borderline of desktop replacement and laptop, they pulled a close one as it feels to be 10lbs but its size hides that and the excellent grippy exterior provided comfortable manuevering.
    Conclusion:
    An amazing laptop/desktop replacement with top tier processing, memory and graphics performance enhanced with a fantastic new technology incorporated in a flawless HD LCD at a reasonable price. Toshiba engineers deserve high praise for being the first out the gate with this technology and hopefully it will quickly become standard equipment as it does provide exceptional results.

  • 5 Bloody // Aug 24, 2011 at 09:47

    Thanks for sharing your first impressions Mike, they can be very useful for anyone also considering getting this laptop.

    Regarding 3D Vision support for gaming, since the technology is originally intended for supporting only active shutter solutions, Nvidia may need some time implementing autostereoscopic 3D support. And the user tracking maybe the thing that makes it harder to do it…

    Unfortunately neither the iZ3D Driver or the TriDef 3D software officially support autostereoscopic 3D displays like this one. DDD’s TriDef 3D software has a special version for LG’s autostereoscopic 3D display, but I doubt that it will be compatible with what Toshiba use.

  • 6 masahiro kahata // Aug 24, 2011 at 19:09

    someone knows that F750 / F755 use SpursEngine ?
    like T851 ( in Japan ) ?
    F750 / F755 has TV tuner ?

  • 7 masahiro kahata // Aug 24, 2011 at 19:17

    I got T851 July 31 in Japan.
    interesting computer.
    it is my second Windows computer.
    first one was 10 years ago for use Maya.
    now for 3 D display.
    all other time since 1983 LISA, i had many MAC. but only 2 Windows computer.

  • 8 Gekke Henkie // Aug 30, 2011 at 10:09

    @Mike: You say that it won’t show .MPO or .MP4 3D files, but it does show 3D from Blu-ray discs.
    Question: could you try burning some .MPO files (and maybe even a 3D movie-file) on a BD-R and see of that works?

  • 9 Kevin Cox // Sep 25, 2011 at 13:03

    Hi everyone,

    I’ve also bough the Qosmio F750. Because I wanted to play games in 3D I wrote a little application to set the screen to 3D mode:

    http://coxcoppes.nl/screenmodechanger/

    Just download, install and press f12 anywhere in Windows to change the screen mode (4 modes available). To play games in 3D I recommend the iZ3D driver.

    Regards,
    Kevin Cox

  • 10 Gekke Henkie // Oct 12, 2011 at 08:56

    Thanks, Kevin! I am very busy with other priorities, but have you tried a few MPO-files? I presume you can find a few, but I can send you some through your website if you like.

    Here is another question asked at the Toshiba-forum that I don’t know the answer on. Anybody on here maybe? Question, quote:

    “Any ideas how to use the Full HD resolution? Disable 3D and change resolution seems to be logical – Toshiba’s software not acting to logical at the moment.”

  • 11 Christoph Bisping // Oct 29, 2011 at 09:50

    Hi everyone!

    Just a quick comment: Thanks to Kevin’s great app, I could easily use VLC to watch any kind of 3D movie!

    I haven’t managed it yet to get good looking results with the iz3d driver but as far as I can say for now, the technology is really interesting ;-)

  • 12 Mike // Nov 9, 2011 at 00:06

    Update: I used a combination of Kevin Cox’s wonderful 3d Screen Activator software above and the iz3d driver and am now able to DX11 game in 3d. Kevin is my personal hero and I wil lbe buying his software as a token of my appreciation. the F755 is capable of High level Graphics from DX11 Games, 4x, shaders, smoke, blur. In fact I play counter Strike Source Online with full graphics in 3D and the experience is amazing. It is going to be difficult to ever play in 2d.
    The 3D effect on the Qosmio screen is slightly less dramatic than my samsung shutter glass Plasma, but the lack of glasses and the increased brightness make it exceptionally easy to use for gaming and lots of fun.
    The Laptop screams in Battlefield 3 by the way, even at High graphics setting, unfortunatley I am only able to play for 5 minutes at a time thanks to EA’s miserable bugs. But thats another topic..
    Overall I love this laptop. But one glaring ommission, no one as of yet can play the MP0 pictures and Mp4 videos I take with my HTC Evo 3d and Fuji 3d Digital camera. These are two of the most popular 3D capture devices ever made, the Evo3d has sold almost 300,000 since last June and yet no one supports MPo in their player?

    Kevin I’m really hoping you can step up and make this happen, there is a huge market of 3D picture and video takers who cant do anyhting with their output.

    Cheers :)

  • 13 MikeA // Nov 15, 2011 at 22:41

    Hi.
    I can’t get the 3D to work in Games, please help.

    MikeA

  • 14 Bloody // Nov 16, 2011 at 20:54

    Officially is still does not work for games in stereo 3D mode, but there is a workaround:

    – You need the Screen Mode Changer Tool: http://3dvision-blog.com/screen-mode-changer-tool-for-qosmio-f750-f755-3d-laptops/
    – Using this free tool you need to set the display in either Side by Side or Interleaved 3D mode
    – You need to get either the iZ3D Driver or the TriDef Ignition software (both work), install one and set it to use either Side by Side or Interleaved 3D mode
    – And then you are going to be able to play games in stereo 3D mode, just have in mind that the video card of the laptop is not that powerful, especially for gaming in stereo 3D mode with higher detail levels and more demanding games …

  • 15 Z // Nov 19, 2011 at 23:12

    Hi,
    I cant even get the 3D working on my laptop. I have the Qosmio 750. Any hints ?

  • 16 Bloody // Nov 20, 2011 at 02:02

    It does even not work with the Toshiba video player when you activate the 3D mode in it, or?

  • 17 Z // Nov 20, 2011 at 03:22

    no… i heard that i have to tune it some how.

  • 18 Christoph Bisping // Nov 24, 2011 at 22:42

    Yes, look for the X-Tune application in your start menu. But it’s made for fine-tuning the 3D effect. If you can’t get the 3D mode working, I doubt this application might be useful for you…

  • 19 Tom Stevens // Nov 25, 2011 at 04:47

    NO MPO
    NO 3D jpeg or Video

    PATHETIC Mr Toshiba and mr Nvi…watever..

    was planing to buy this laptop… not anymore

    I’ll get instead the ridiculous 3d glasses laptop

  • 20 Christoph Bisping // Nov 28, 2011 at 01:31

    @Tom: Well, these things are really quite easy to achieve with the mentioned 3D screen mode changer and still way more comfortable than wearing glasses ;-)

    But yes, I agree with your PATHETIC statement.

  • 21 John // Dec 1, 2011 at 09:29

    Not sure if this is just me or if its a known issue but I find the brightness to be uneven. Its almost as if there’s a gradient on top of the picture. If I had a solid black desktop background for example, the brightness is so intense that it appears grey towards the bottom of the screen and gets darker as it gets to the top of the screen. Tried adjusting brightness, contrast, etc but nothing seems to work.
    Is anyone having this issue too?

  • 22 Mike // Dec 2, 2011 at 03:32

    @John-actually no, I tested mine with solid white, grey and black hi res backdrops and it was solid brightness top to bottom, left to right. Can you explain exactly when this seems to happen? It could be a backlight defect…

    In 3D and 2D modes the color is even, though the effect in 3D does diminish resolution and provide an interlace banding effect.

    @Tom-Toshiba makes great tech, some would say the BEST laptop tech. Why they have not supported and promoted this devices capabilities with glasses free 3D is beyond all of us. But if you love 3D and ultra cool tech, this laptop is a freak show of fun.

    Not a single person I have shown this too has been anything less than gobsmacked by the effect. Hopefully this comment translates into Japanese and somebody gets to work with an update.

  • 23 prem santh // Jan 3, 2012 at 12:11

    i have brought a qosmio f750 laptop as i want 2 experience 3d facility but i cannot experience any of those i installed 3d activator too but it doesnt give me proper 3d experience it makes my screen only 2 glar nothing other than it……..
    now wat shall i do 2 experience 3d facility

  • 24 Bloody // Jan 3, 2012 at 15:46

    You should update your Toshiba to the latest BIOS version 2.0 and also update the software to get the latest 3D features introduced for the 3D laptop.

  • 25 Pat // Jan 11, 2012 at 11:26

    Good review, the card is not too bad at playing games… depsite not being no the bf3 compatability list it can play bf3 on meduim-high settings and get a good average fps. Sure its not exactly GTX grade gaming but pretty awesome for the cost.

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