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AMD HD3D Technology – What You Should’ve Know from the Start..

October 31st, 2010 · 25 Comments · Other S3D Tech


After a few days of trying different things and with the help of other readers I was finally able to make everything work as it should with the new AMD HD3D Technology by displaying a stereoscopic 3D content from a PC equipped with ATI Radeon HD 5970 video card to a Panasonic 3D HDTV with both the iZ3D Driver and DDD’s TriDef software. There were quite a few issues and a lot of things unknown from the start, but after trying out a lot of different things finally everything seems to be working alright, so below I’ll just summarize some of the important findings we had to figure out by ourselves to make it much easier for others. The one thing that puzzles me however is why the hell AMD did not summarize these things right from the start to make the process as easy and as painless for the end users willing to take advantage of their new AMD HD3D Technology? Maybe their concept for openness means something different than what everyone else considers an open initiative, which should also mean open communication with your customers and not being so “full of holes” to call something open… ;)

So in brief what you need to know should you decide to connect your computer with an ATI/AMD video card inside to a 3D capable HDTV by taking advantage of the AMD HD3D Technology, although I suppose that the same may apply to when using a 120Hz LCD monitor too.
– You need to have an ATI Radeon HD 5000 series or AMD Radeon HD 6000 series of GPU, older video cars are not compatible with the AMD HD3D Technology.
– You will need to download and install the latest Catalyst graphics driver, which is currently Catalyst 10.10c Hotfix – Download here.
– If you have more than one video card or a dual-GPU solution such as 5970 you should disable Catalyst AI from the driver, Crossfire does not yet work, but if you have trouble with a single GPU try disabling the Catalyst AI… it might help as well.
– You can use both the iZ3D Driver (version 1.12, build 4016 or newer) and the DDD TriDef 3D Software (version 4.3.1 or newer) for enabling stereoscopic 3D output to your 3D HDTV, although the output methods may be a bit confusing and even misleading.
– If you are using iZ3D you need to select “120Hz 3D Devices” as an output method, although the name does not suggest that at all, and for TriDef it is much more clear – “AMD – AMD HD3D Technology (HDMI 1.4a)”, although here there is another misleading thing – that you can use it in any resolution, when the truth is that you are good to go only for 720p 50/60Hz and 1080p 24Hz modes!
– You should set your desktop resolution and refresh rate to 1920×1080, 24Hz in order to make it easier to run some games with the right settings from the start – otherwise if the game tries to run at 1080p with 60Hz you might just see a black screen. If the problem continues you might have to disable the S3D software, run the game normally, set the right resolution from its in-game menu, enable the S3D software and try running it again. Some games do not have option to set the refresh rate, just the resolution and these might still be problematic for the 1080p, 24Hz 3D mode, however the 720p 50/60Hz mode should be Ok.
– If you are using the iZ3D Driver you can test if everything is working with the built-in test in the iZ3D Control Center, under Help menu – use the “Static test” and not the dynamic one as only the static 3D image will switch to full screen and work in 3D.
– If you are using DDD TriDef 3D, after enabling the right mode you can test if it is working right by running the “TriDef 3D Experience” launcher, before going to try out some games, if this works in 3D then you are all set.
– If you want to play in the 1080p 24Hz stereo 3D mode, then make sure that you have V-sync for the game disabled in order to make it more comfortable to be played and not so choppy, especially for fast action oriented games as with 24 frames per eye and V-sync enabled you will probably not be very happy. But you will need to be able to get higher framerate in the game in order to feel more comfortable and to avoid a lot of visible tearing.
– iZ3D is currently running a promotion that allows you to get a license for their driver supporting the AMD HD3D Technology (if you have a compatible GPU) for just $19.99 USD which is half the regular price… For more information.
– DDD is also running a promotion with a half price license for their TriDef 3D software, meaning that if you have a 5000/6000 series of GPU you can get it for just $24.99 USD… For more information.
– Before actually going to buy or decide which of these products is Ok for you, you can first test your 3D setup for 14 days using the TriDef 3D software or for 30 days for the iZ3D driver, so you will have some time to evaluate which one from the two or even if you want to get both..
– The list of supported hardware available on AMD’s website regarding 3D-capable HDTVs is not complete, in theory every HDMI 1.4(a) capable 3D HDTV might work, although when trying it out you might have trouble because of lack of information and as a result you might think it is actually not working… List of supported hardware.

There will be probably more things to come and hopefully AMD will soon address some of the issues with updates, especially the multi-GPU support, because the graphics performance is very important when playing games in stereo 3D mode and the more you have – the better! Another good idea for AMD is to start a dedicated forum in their forums especially for the AMD HD3D Technology…

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25 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Najti // Oct 31, 2010 at 15:09

    What do you think, what is the best way to send 120 Hz content using side-by-side movie files to my projector from my laptop with Ati 5450?
    For nVidia I used their player, but ATI doesn’t have any such player (and the 3dtv.at player is expensive).

  • 2 Bloody // Oct 31, 2010 at 15:18

    The Stereoscopic Player is pretty much the best and most flexible one and it worth the price, but you should be able to also use PowerDVD 10 Ultra MK II for example and other the Blu-ray 3D-capable software players from companies that AMD has partnered with.

  • 3 Petri Teittinen // Oct 31, 2010 at 15:43

    Of course, another problem with using AMD’s 3D solution with a 120Hz pre-HDMI 1.4 video projector is the need for 3rd party IR emitter and 3D glasses. You can’t use Nvidia’s emitter and glasses for obvious reasons…

  • 4 Bart // Oct 31, 2010 at 17:23

    So my ATI 5450 will not play 3D bluray? Why do only 2 cards list as supported for 3D bluray playback? seems very strange. Hopefully it’s some sort of error.

    If not then I will have to replace my 5450 with an Nvidia gt 430 that I use in my HTPC.

  • 5 Petri Teittinen // Oct 31, 2010 at 17:35

    Bart, I think the list means that 6000 series cards have built-in hardware decoding support for MVC (video encoding codec for 3D on Blu-ray) while earlier cards do not. That doesn’t mean you can’t view 3D Blu-rays on earlier cards, it’s just MVC decoding will be done by the CPU instead of the GPU.

  • 6 Petri Teittinen // Oct 31, 2010 at 17:51

    Oh, hang on. It could also be related to the HDMI version employed in the cards. 6000 series is natively v1.4 while the earlier cards are v1.3, AFAIK. That would make a world of difference when it comes to Blu-ray 3D playback.

  • 7 Bloody // Oct 31, 2010 at 18:52

    It is just that the 6000 series have an updated video acceleration engine that will support hardware accelerated Blu-ray 3D decoding, at least the situation with Nvidia was like that. On older card the decoding will just be handled by the CPU, not the GPU… so you should still be able to play movies on older hardware.

  • 8 Mathew Orman // Oct 31, 2010 at 19:06

    So, is stereoscopic player working now with the AMD graphic card?
    Both iZ3d and TriDef are DirectX hacks as at the moment DirectX does not support HDMI 1.4 stereoscopic output.
    Is there an AMD 3D API SDK?

    Mathew Orman

  • 9 Petri Teittinen // Oct 31, 2010 at 19:17

    @ Mathew,

    nope, Stereoscopic Player does not work with AMD card when connected to a HDMI 1.4 3D display. It does work when connected to some 120 Hz frame sequential displays, for example the Optoma HD67 video projector.

  • 10 Philip // Oct 31, 2010 at 19:33

    The new Stereoscopic Player 1.6.5 works fine with AMD HD3D. You got to select the “AMD Stereo Driver” output. I just watched a stereoscopic movie on my HD5870 -> Panasonic VT20.
    Can’t get IZ3D and Tridef to work properly but Stereoscopic Player works like a charm.

  • 11 Petri Teittinen // Oct 31, 2010 at 19:44

    It sure doesn’t work on a HD6870.

    Stereoscopic Player’s developer on email: “To my knowledge, the AMD stereo driver doesn’t support HDMI 1.4 frame packing output yet. It just does frame sequential output to 120 Hz PC screens, similar to the software pageflipping viewing method in the Stereoscopic Player. I did all tests on 120 Hz PC displays only.”

  • 12 Mathew Orman // Oct 31, 2010 at 20:35

    This is great news and looks like the stereo capabilities is getting enabled on all hardware as we speak.

    Happy 3D viewing for all!

    Mathew Orman

  • 13 Bloody // Oct 31, 2010 at 20:41

    Philip, have you tried with Catalyst AI disabled?

  • 14 JoDo // Nov 1, 2010 at 00:15

    What do you think about 1080px2 @ 24Hz vs 720px2 @ 60Hz gaming? Generally do you prefer one, or does it depend on the game?

  • 15 artox // Nov 1, 2010 at 09:51

    Interesting, the GT model from Panasonic is not listed, guess they had the list precompiled earlier.
    I had a question about the warranty you mentioned earlier, Bloody. Do you pay for 3-5 years at panasonic’s distributor (meaning tehnomarket for example), or at Panasonic Bulgaria, or is it free if you register by Pan. BG. Why would you need to pay extra to extend it, I don’t think rising black levels are covered by the warranty ;)

  • 16 artox // Nov 1, 2010 at 10:44

    Ok, pointless question on my part, just called Panasonic BG, they said that from 15 Nov 2010 the warranty will be extended free of charge by registering the TV with them.

  • 17 Bloody // Nov 1, 2010 at 11:22

    JoDo, 1080p at 24Hz with vsync disabled is quite playable for most games as opposed to vsync enabled. Although 720p 60Hz definitely feels much comfortable, especially for fast paced games.

    Artox, the TX-P50VT20E is also not listed, bit I finally was able to make it work, so in theory the GT20 should work as well, but no guarantees for that…

  • 18 JoDo // Nov 2, 2010 at 06:06

    That’s interesting because it seems to indicate that the framerate is not enough to sustain proper vsync, and/or there’re some other kinks or bugs in the process. 720p actually has a higher fill rate (1280x720x120 > 1920x1080x48), although the ratio between fill-rate and fps is not a linear one necessarily. I think I also too would prefer playing on 720p. Have you tried vsync-settings on 720p?

  • 19 Davie Robertson // Nov 15, 2010 at 20:05

    I pretty peeved by where this is all going, back in July I purchased a Viewsonic 3D project (with the IR emitters built in) and then an Acer desktop with the AMD 5550 (or thereabouts) on the basis that the IZ3d would be free to AMD/ATI users, but now it looks like we have to pay for it.

    I bought this kit as I wanted to be able to project 3D without having to go the nvidia route and purchase a seperate IR emitter.

    Am I missing something here?

  • 20 Rx // Jan 17, 2011 at 02:42

    AT Mobility Radeon HD 5850 on HP Envy 17 3D
    XPand 3D Shudder Glasses
    Will not work with 3D games
    HP Support and design (or the complete lack of it) has not been able to offer even a hint.

  • 21 Steve // Aug 4, 2011 at 01:31

    Hi,

    Although 3d is not imlemented by ATI for cards below HD5000 series and obviously there is something AMD added to improve the performance or whatever but it is not clear what they did how does it support 3d. When I saw this I though, ok I do not need iz3d anymore if I buy a hd6850..
    Currently I have an ATI hd4830(!), along with iz3d installed and a Samsung 3d tv with active shutter glasses and surprise.. that’s all you need to make 3d work. I agree with the writer that it took a while until I made movies and game work in 3d. The trick here is the iz3d driver itself not the card. The games are written in 3d and iz3d just converts it and push the output on dvi or hdmi interface.

    Since Samsung dlp or perhaps others as well supports more than one format of 3d you do not need to worry.just be patient and test with different settings.

    You can also watch hd 3d movies on ati 4830 (or ati 4800 series) using Ciberlink’s Powerdvd ver 11. Probably it works on lower end cards than 4800 series too.

    I configured 3d-ready HDTV and side-by-side format. 3d is running like hell for games and movies without having performance issues. I was playing Wow in 3d and it was increadible to play like that although I could not play in 1080p resolution thanks to the performance of my 4830.

    My question here if I could make it work on Ati4830 then what AMD’s HD3D brings for the cards above 5000? What does hd3d do?

    For those who cannot make 3d work:
    – dont give it up yet, be patient
    – play with 3d formats (side-by-side, over-under, interleaved modes etc)
    – don’t expect your monitor/TV to recognize the format because you may need to manually switch on 3d on your TV and choose from 3d format list if you dont get the 3d screen,
    – HDMI 1.4 a cable is a must for 3d.
    – stereoscopic avi files does not need you to use either iz3d or tridef. Just open the file in MPCHC (Media player classic home cinema) or powerdvd 11 and setup the play back to full screen when in the resolution is1080p(1920×1080). If it is in side by side then you will see the movie twice one on left and other one for right eyes within the player’frame, then turn 3d on , glasses up and enjoy without havin ATI card above 5000. You dont even need stereoscopic player in this case. Configuring subtitle however is a pain to setup when 3d is on but if I remember well, then you have to find ffd show at filters because it supports 3d.
    – play with different settings if more than one option is offered in a 3d option.

    If you need help or have a question then drop me an e-mail to vecserii@hotmail.com

  • 22 John // Oct 22, 2011 at 01:06

    So, one page long list of important tips and many hours, (or days) of experimentation just to be able to watch stereoscopic 3D? With products you bought that were made for that purpose?

    Well, that’s NOT AMD HD3D Technology ,

    its… AMD HD3D CRAPOLOGY!

    Good luck!

  • 23 Nex // Dec 10, 2011 at 16:02

    Hi,

    i am confused – do i need an HDMI1.4a Full HD 3DTV for use with AMDHD3D, or is HDMI1.4 Full HD 3DTV enough?
    DDD – got direct3d stereo error 0030013a

    Tx

  • 24 gun // Jan 30, 2012 at 08:48

    I have 5970,12.1 driver,+ 27sams750sa+tridef
    try’d evereting thats posible or you can tink of,notting works to play in hd3d(frames equential)
    only ting i can still do is buy a new displaport cable without the dongle to go from mini to big(monitor)and change it to a 1 cable with on side mini and other big displayport(why can it not be mini always????need the money???show me the money!!) but i m afraid its again money trowing away…

  • 25 simbators // Oct 25, 2012 at 00:43

    Hello, help someone! I have monitor 3d (http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpindex.pl?scy=GB&slg=ENG&sct=HOME_LCD_MONITORS_SU&cat=MONITORS_CA&session=20121024231835_195.62.137.163&grp=PC_PRODUCTS_AND_PHONES_GR&ctn=273G3DHSB/00&mid=Link_ProductInformation&hlt=Link_ProductInformation), and radeon 7850 gigabyte videocard! Problem is that Tridef 3D say, your videocard is not support AMD 3D tehnology…. where’s problem? drivers is latest!

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